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Conferenza Transnational
Agora' Internet - 8 giugno 1994
[OPINION] RIGHTS TO PROTECTION

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Subject: [OPINION] RIGHTS TO PROTECTION

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IMPOSE LIMITS ON HATESPEECH

Morals should never be imposed by anyone on someone else, as long

as what someone else does, does not adversely affect anyone else.

If someone's sexual proclivities are different than yours, that

should be their business. If something in print would be

offensive to me I don't have to buy it or read it. And on cable

TV, if a channel offers sex or politics that is offensive to me I

don't have to pay for it or look at it.

BUT, speech that promotes racism, gay bashing, anti-Semitism, or

opinions expressed as fact that may directly or indirectly lead

to violence, that puts a different spin on the efficacy of

imposing some sort of limitations. Sure, my intellect tells me to

support free speech, but that is because my worldview can't

help but be influenced by a bourgeois worldview. That is the

perception of the masses and much of the left in this country

at this moment.

To further elaborate: Its always been my view that with debate

ideas will be exchanged and reason will ultimately emerge

victorious. We were taught to think that. But, that isn't always

true however. The falacy to that thinking is that everyone is not

as good a spokesman for a particular position as someone else may

be. Emotionalism generally wins out. Logic appeals to an

intelligencia and free thinkers, but not to those already

predisposed to certain ideas because of strongly intrenched

prejudices and learned bias. This is why demogogues can win

elections, and by popular appeal can be swept into positions of

authority, etc., where they may present a real threat to the rest

of us, as happened to Hitler and almost happened with David Duke.

There are many grey areas and nothing so true that it doesn't

have its abstract side and some semblance of truth. There are

good and bad arguments for every position, and some stereotypes

that do fit cases and there are generalized rationalizations that

blanket an entire issue with false, monolithic, intransigent

justifications, that are full of only half truths and pseudo

solutions, that may appear on the surface to be fact but are

closer to fiction.

Mere discussion between uninformed or partially informed

individuals are mostly superficial because they do not provide

fair assessment and though analogies are made that sound good,

they are merely clever sophistry or polemics made to pander to a

popular view. Just like politicians who pander to a vox populi

that for the most part are unread, ignorant and inundated with

false images on television and a somewhat controlled press.

Debate often isn't really debate. It is often a bunch of wise

guys trying to out insult each other, as often happens on these

nets, or like trained animals, trying to out perform each other

with clever cliches and popular fad positions. The truth becomes

victim.

With regard to language that merely offends one's sensitivity,

you could say there is no compulsion to listen to it. If it

offends you, turn it off, but there is another side to that

argument. It does seems to me that SPEECH IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN

THE HARM IT IS LIKELY TO CAUSE IF IT PROMOTES RACISM AND

VIOLENCE, so should -*HATE SPEECH*- be prohibited? Herbert

Marcuse and several others on the left of the political spectrum

have advocated that speech should be limited.

So you would ask, who is to decide what is offensive and what is

going to cause the most harm; the harm caused by limiting speech

or the harm caused by allowing unbridled speech? And others will

paraphrase Voltaire, by declaring that they may not agree with

what is said, they may even hate what is said, but they will

defend to the death (figurately speaking, that is) the right to

say it, because that insures my right to say whatever it is they

want to say also. These same champions of `free speech' will

heckle those who speak what they don't want to hear, thus

censoring them anyway---because afterall, isn't heckling also a

form of `free speech?'

If I were to defend your right to say dispictable things the

price may prove to be too great.

There is also this dichotomy that certain types of speech are

already regulated, ergo: libel, deceptive advertising, consumer

fraud, child pornography and words that would appear to harrass

on a sexual basis in the workplace. Should these types of speech

be regulated? And if so, why not "hatespeech" also? If we can

define deceptive advertising, libel, consumer fraud, etc. etc.,

why not a test for hatespeech also?

If a lie is told that would be construed to be deceptive

advertising, for example if someone sells real estate sight

unseen and claims it is high and dry and it turns out to be low

and wet, redress should and always is available through due

process. Why have laws to regulate deceptive advertising when

this is already a crime and recourse already exists? Do they

infringe on our First Amendment rights? The courts have decided

that they do not infringe. The courts could decide the same for

hatespeech.

The type of speech that harms in this way, whether it be

pecuninary, or harm to someone's reputation, the remedy exists.

The ultimate test is always if the speech is true or false. The

test for speech that constitutes sexual harrassment is

whether it occured or not and the court decides if it was in

fact sexual harrasment.

Nadine Strossen who was the president of the ACLU has said, the

only remedy for "bad speech" is more speech. She says we need a

free marketplace of ideas, open even to the most odious and

offensive ideas and expressions, because truth ultimately will

triumph in an unrestricted marketplace."

Is to defend the First Amendment, to defend it absolutely? Will

society suffer a greater harm when a bigot is allowed to speak,

to spew his venom, to belittle, villify, humiliate and dehumanize

his targets of bias, even though he spouts untruths, lies that

some may believe to be true? Is this a burden too great, too

disporportionate for some to defend free speech?

The Left is overly concerned about the government prosecuting left wing

speech if limits are imposed. The government doesn't need legal

limitations as an excuse to impose limits on the left because as Rod Davis

points out in an article in the PROGRESSIVE, "Constitutional `free speech'

in the daily, concrete world consists of what the Government decides it to

be. It is a fantasy to insist that in protecting our enemies we protect

ourselves." The government can and has equated political activism with

organized crime and will again in spite of Constitutional protections.

Speech is a different and a separate issue. As Rod points out, defending

the Klan's "right to appear publicly defends nothing more than the Klan,"

just as defending a pornographer's right to degrade and exploit women

defends nothing more than a pornographer.

It is prudent to expect that even rational debate will not be

enough to change the hearts and minds of irrational bigots. So

these bigots while they will also utilize the First Amendment to

win converts will not themselves be impressed by rational

argument. But, that is not the intent of the "free" speech, it is

the ability to present views, sometimes unpopular though

untrampled by laws that would prohibit saying these things. For

my liberties to be upheld, it is said that that must be the price

I pay, that the liberty of those bigots also be upheld.

Champions of absolute free speech will say there is no other

reasonable choice. Otherwise, someone would be allowed to decide

for me and the First Amendment guarantees my right to decide for

myself. Therefore when the real harm suffered by the targets of

hate speech is measured against the presumed harm to the First

Amendment caused by an imposition of curbs on hate speech, the

First Amendment always wins. So is that what it all comes down

to, measuring harm speech may cause to people against the harm

disallowing that speech may cause to a parchment of paper?

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has

the right to freedom of opinion and expression. This right

includes the freedom to hold opinions without interference and to

seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media

and regardless of frontiers."

"Today freedom of expression can never be a luxury, because all

sorts of ideas are needed, to be tested, to be discarded, even to

be hated, for it is in the very process of choosing among them

that we may take a step forward instead of stumboing another step

backward toward destruction." (Per Wastberg)

The Constitution, as a whole, was called a charter of liberty by

those who wrote it but the rights defined and guaranteed in the

First Amendment probably comes closer to defining what it is to

be an American than any other document or clause. The difference

between us and them, is the right we have to think and to speak

what we please.

When courts decide interpret what speech is permisable it sets

limits on our freedom, our tastes, our attitudes, our habits and

that power granted to government authority, to the FCC in the

case of radio and to the courts as final arbitrators is awsome

and something they were never trained for. It becomes a value

judgement, theirs in deciding what we can say on the radio. These

custodians or guardians of our liberty are influenced by their

own experiences, religion, etc.

The only test in my opinion that holds any validity with regard

to speech or anything else to be prohibited under law is whether

or not that thing or speech causes harm to someone else. As an

example, if two people which to have sexual intercourse in public

should they be allowed so long as they are not blocking traffic

and so long as neither party is being raped. Anotherwords, "harm

to others." Should be the ultimate test? How many would

hypocritically champion the right to speech, even that which

would constitute hate and incite to violence, but would not allow

other forms of `free expression' such as yelling fire in a

crowded theatre or to copulate in the middle of Central Park,

like dogs and in front of children? I think most would opt for

some kind of limitation and if on one type of expression, why

not on the other?

That of course raises another question as to what might be

considered harmful to others. Is one's sensitivity to profanity

be taken into consideration? I think not. I think that would be

asking too much. And governments should not be in the business of

deciding morals or ethics. It would far too presumptuous for the

guardians of government to make moral judgements for me.

My point is that hatespeech is a different type of speech, the

kind that does cause harm, that promotes violence, that has the

potential for causing genocide.

Censorship is our legacy of "Puritanism," and is in itself a

morbid fear of sex and sexuality. And, just because someone's

speech is vulgar or coarse, shocking or lewd is NOT in my opinion

justification for forbiding it. BUT, racism, anti-Semitism, gay

bashing, and sexism go beyond being merely rhetorical speech,

because it desensitize and promotes a favorable climate for

hatecrime, it incites to violence, it does cause harm, and has

even led to genocide. Therefore, there is absolutely NO

JUSTIFICATION FOR ALLOWING IT.

-Hank-

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